The citizens of Earth are are in the heat of a great economic war!
As corrupt politicians and the global banking pirates continue to suck up our humble wealth and continue to devalue the worth of our money. Millions will die of poverty and starvation unless swift action is taken to abolish this tyrannical corporate assault on all of humanity.
"An armed conflict between nations horrifies us. But the economic war is no better than an armed conflict. Compared to this, conventional war is like a a surgical operation. An economic war is prolonged torture. And its ravages are no less terrible than those depicted in the literature on war properly so called. We think nothing of the other because we are used to its deadly effects. The movement against war is sound. I pray for its success. But I cannot help the gnawing fear that the movement will fail if it does not touch the root of all evil — man's greed. Truth alone will endure, all the rest will be swept away before the tide of time. I must continue to bear testimony to truth even if I am forsaken by all. Mine may today be a voice in the wilderness, but it will be heard when all other voices are silenced, if it is the voice of Truth." ~Mohandas Karamchand Gandhi
Noam Chomsky in his book "Failed States — The Abuse of Power and the Assault on Democracy", defines demonic messianism as "a natural device for leadership groups that are at the extreme of the spectrum in their dedication to the short-term interests of narrow sectors of power and wealth".
The sentiment of despair among the ordinary people has been manipulated for political gain by amoral embedded corporate politicians, who would do anything to ensure that this despair does not go away until they manage to ride on it all the way to highest echelons of political power. Another strategy for control that has been regularly exploited is the creation of a fear for a tyrannical and boundlessly evil enemies; instilling in the public the fear of imminent destruction.
Most of this manipulation has been done in ways that are hard to believe.
On the one hand, some leaders have conspired to divert agricultural production meant for human and animal consumption to the corporate market where the scarce commodity is converted into gasoline, and ending up being burnt away on the highway; thus insuring higher food prices that are beyond the reach of the poor and destitute. This callous disregard for human suffering, is little different from what Bruce Franklin identified in 1889 as the "Anglo-American Syndicate of War" that imposes its imperialist "peaceful and enlightened rule" by threatening "annihilation" of those who stand in the way, bringing "the Spirit of Civilisation to a backward people.
Although we the people, are of many nations,
we are all one divine family in spirit♥
I love you when you bow in your mosque, kneel in your temple, pray in your church. For you and I are sons of one religion, and it is the spirit. Kahlil Gibran
Monday, February 28, 2011
Saturday, February 26, 2011
A note to a Friend
THERE ARE THOSE BRAVE ENUGH TO SAY I LOVE YOU.
THEY ARE VERY SPECIAL FRIENDS INDEED♥
I love you too sweetheart, it took a lot of dead Indians to make your American Dream; but there are few Indians left to kill and no nation left that has not been exploited. All things must come to an end before there is a new beginning. My dear friend, you see it is much more than just our country; it's "our world" Angie, and I do not like what they have done with it.
The United States, could feed the world, and the world could feed us; But what's the profit in that?
You create profit by limiting peoples resources, thereby insuring higher prices as the demand goes up. In the other world, the one that we do not like to think about. There are thousands of starving mothers, who at this very moment are seeking bread, still a simple task for most of us. But too often it is in vain for their babies, and as the children starve and die. All the while; the powers of Wall Street, and the oil industry are turning our abundant food supply into overpriced gas for our cars. While at the same time, forcing us to pay a much higher price to feed our own families. That is if we have money to pay the merchants of death. I can think of no uglier crime against humanity. With global food prices rising and more corn being diverted to the production of ethanol fuel, Bill Clinton is warning of food riots in many nations.
For you and I are sons of one religion, and it is the spirit. Kahlil Gibran
THEY ARE VERY SPECIAL FRIENDS INDEED♥
I love you too sweetheart, it took a lot of dead Indians to make your American Dream; but there are few Indians left to kill and no nation left that has not been exploited. All things must come to an end before there is a new beginning. My dear friend, you see it is much more than just our country; it's "our world" Angie, and I do not like what they have done with it.
The United States, could feed the world, and the world could feed us; But what's the profit in that?
You create profit by limiting peoples resources, thereby insuring higher prices as the demand goes up. In the other world, the one that we do not like to think about. There are thousands of starving mothers, who at this very moment are seeking bread, still a simple task for most of us. But too often it is in vain for their babies, and as the children starve and die. All the while; the powers of Wall Street, and the oil industry are turning our abundant food supply into overpriced gas for our cars. While at the same time, forcing us to pay a much higher price to feed our own families. That is if we have money to pay the merchants of death. I can think of no uglier crime against humanity. With global food prices rising and more corn being diverted to the production of ethanol fuel, Bill Clinton is warning of food riots in many nations.
For you and I are sons of one religion, and it is the spirit. Kahlil Gibran
Tuesday, February 15, 2011
Other People And You
Know Yourself:
Some people seem to decide very early in their lives whether or not they want to care about and have compassion for others’ feelings. As a result, all of us, have different levels of the willingness to feel or care about others’ feelings. Yet to some it takes an often tragic life changing event to deeply feel others’ pain and joy, while other people never seem to care. Some people can recall caring about others’ pain and joy from a very young age, while other people remember being concerned mostly with their own feelings and needs. We are all unique individuals who act from our very own set of beliefs, needs, fears, and desires.
The people who have been divinly chosen to experience a greater level of compassion are often the ones that become the caretakers, while the less compassionate people become the takers. Caretakers are those people who have learned from life, a much deeper love, such as to take responsibility for other's feelings and well-being, while takers are people who expect others to take responsibility for their feelings and well-being and often blame others when they don’t take on this responsibility.
If you are one of these gifted compassionate persons who easily feels others’ feelings, you might find yourself drawn to people who are in pain. Your compassionate heart naturally wants to help those people who are in pain, not only out of caring, but also because of your empathy, their pain can also be painful to you. It matters not to you that this person may not care about your feelings as much as you care about his or hers.
It is without a doubt, that women are more gifted with empathy, for they seem to have more wisdom, and are genetically wired to be the natural maternalistic care takers that keep us from extinction; thus compassion is seen as way of life for most women. It really doesn’t take long for one to discern a true loving heart once you have learned to have compassion for yourself, trusting your perceptions, and accept your lack of control over others. People betray their intention to either give love or to get it, or to give to get, with everything they say and do. With practice, you can learn to discern the loving heart very early in any kind of a relationship. If you desire to stop recreating the same disappointing relationships over and over, then develop your power of (discernment). So, how do you become discerning of those who keep a loving, caring and compassionate heart? The first step is to focus on developing as much compassion for your own feelings as you have for others. Alas, some very caring and wonderful people so often leave themselves out of the equation, by caring about others far more than they care about themselves. This leaves them very vulnerable to becoming the caretaker for someone who just wants someone else to take care of them, and then gets angry when you don’t do it “right." If you have developed the proper self love, and compassion for yourself; you will start to feel much more quickly when someone is not really caring about you. If you are just focused on another’s feelings, you won’t notice what you feel, and it is your own feelings that allow you to discern caring from a lack of caring.
“Treat others as you want to be treated” paraphrased from a wide variety of sources begins to provide a model for acting with empathy. Perhaps a more accurate model is given by the “platinum rule”: Treat others as they want to be treated. The principle of empathy may be sufficient to develop a complete and socially valuable code of ethics. Various organizations have developed codes of ethics based primarily on the principle of empathy. Here are some examples:"
The United Nations Universal Declaration of Human Rights.
Code of Ethics of the National Association of Social Workers
Some people seem to decide very early in their lives whether or not they want to care about and have compassion for others’ feelings. As a result, all of us, have different levels of the willingness to feel or care about others’ feelings. Yet to some it takes an often tragic life changing event to deeply feel others’ pain and joy, while other people never seem to care. Some people can recall caring about others’ pain and joy from a very young age, while other people remember being concerned mostly with their own feelings and needs. We are all unique individuals who act from our very own set of beliefs, needs, fears, and desires.
The people who have been divinly chosen to experience a greater level of compassion are often the ones that become the caretakers, while the less compassionate people become the takers. Caretakers are those people who have learned from life, a much deeper love, such as to take responsibility for other's feelings and well-being, while takers are people who expect others to take responsibility for their feelings and well-being and often blame others when they don’t take on this responsibility.
If you are one of these gifted compassionate persons who easily feels others’ feelings, you might find yourself drawn to people who are in pain. Your compassionate heart naturally wants to help those people who are in pain, not only out of caring, but also because of your empathy, their pain can also be painful to you. It matters not to you that this person may not care about your feelings as much as you care about his or hers.
It is without a doubt, that women are more gifted with empathy, for they seem to have more wisdom, and are genetically wired to be the natural maternalistic care takers that keep us from extinction; thus compassion is seen as way of life for most women. It really doesn’t take long for one to discern a true loving heart once you have learned to have compassion for yourself, trusting your perceptions, and accept your lack of control over others. People betray their intention to either give love or to get it, or to give to get, with everything they say and do. With practice, you can learn to discern the loving heart very early in any kind of a relationship. If you desire to stop recreating the same disappointing relationships over and over, then develop your power of (discernment). So, how do you become discerning of those who keep a loving, caring and compassionate heart? The first step is to focus on developing as much compassion for your own feelings as you have for others. Alas, some very caring and wonderful people so often leave themselves out of the equation, by caring about others far more than they care about themselves. This leaves them very vulnerable to becoming the caretaker for someone who just wants someone else to take care of them, and then gets angry when you don’t do it “right." If you have developed the proper self love, and compassion for yourself; you will start to feel much more quickly when someone is not really caring about you. If you are just focused on another’s feelings, you won’t notice what you feel, and it is your own feelings that allow you to discern caring from a lack of caring.
“Treat others as you want to be treated” paraphrased from a wide variety of sources begins to provide a model for acting with empathy. Perhaps a more accurate model is given by the “platinum rule”: Treat others as they want to be treated. The principle of empathy may be sufficient to develop a complete and socially valuable code of ethics. Various organizations have developed codes of ethics based primarily on the principle of empathy. Here are some examples:"
The United Nations Universal Declaration of Human Rights.
Code of Ethics of the National Association of Social Workers
Tuesday, February 08, 2011
Lost Liberty
I'd say that the United States as duly framed by the Constitution was toppled by Abraham Lincoln when he blatantly oversteped his authority in order to attack with military force; the citizens of the Southern States. A criminal action that many scholars now call an illegal war. We've had the same government since 1865, it very closely resembles the one we had before that but states rights have pretty well been eliminated, so its not the same government as it originally was. It should be remembered that during the Abraham Lincoln Administration, the 13th, 14th and 15th Amendments had not been made part of the U.S. Constitution; there was at the time only 12 Amendments. Individuals were considered Citizens of their respective States, and only in that respect where they U.S. Citizens. The Fourteenth Amendment deals primarily with Interstate Commerce, however it also transfers citizenship from the jurisdiction of the States to that of the Federal Government.
The Constitution, which originally protected the citizens from an overpowering Central Government, as a result of these three Amendments, now empowers and protected the Central Government from its own citizens. Thus the intentions of the Founding Fathers were reversed! However Abraham Lincoln had none of these Amendments at his disposal, and even if he had, they were added to the U.S. Constitution only as a result of force, which makes them self nullifying. Therefore when Abraham Lincoln raised and army to overthrow the secession of the Southern States, thereby subjugating the Confederate States of America, which was created as a result of its newly ratified Constitution, he violated his Presidential Oath.
The Union that Never Existed
Abraham Lincoln’s stated purpose for violating his Oath of Office and using force to return seceded States to the Union is based upon a falsehood. The Union prior to the ‘Civil War’ was never indivisible; therefore there was no indivisible Union to preserve. Abraham Lincoln, in using military force to achieve political ends, added validity to, of all lthings, the Communist Manifesto! This is not merely rhetoric, inasmuch as the age in which he lived was filled with numerous examples, Bismarck of Germany with his Blood and Iron, Lenin in Russia as well as Garibaldi in Italy, are examples of coercion and consolidation of otherwise independent political entities into a single Union.
The Abraham Lincoln of modern historical revisionism is a man that never existed; the real Lincoln is an individual that if President today would likely be impeached, and very well charged with Crimes Against Humanity and War Crimes. The U.S. Congress never authorized the war he instigated, let along the aggressive invasion of a sovereign nation, foreign to his own. He suspended habeas corpus, imprisoned thousands of his own fellow citizens without the benefit of a trial, for nothing more then having opposing his policies. All means of mass communications available in his day were censured, including telegraphs and newspapers with numerous editors, journalists and publishers being jailed. The railroad was nationalized, he confiscated privately owned firearms, used troops to force the outcome of elections, as well as having arrested duly elected members of the State and Federal Congress. This he did in order to create an indivisible Union, which amounted to a consolidation of the sovereign States into what was and remains by definition, an empire.
Abraham Lincoln should without a doubt be named America’s greatest war criminal. His war of invasion not only killed over 600,000 innocent Americans but it was obvious from his earlier speeches that he had previously advocated the prevalent constitutional right of democratic, state by state secession. Lincoln’s War also effectively overthrew the existing decentralized, limited federal government that had existed and governed well in the US since established by America’s founding fathers. Lincoln bastardized a respected federal government with limited powers into what is now a dictatorial, uncontrollable Washington federal empire.
Because of Lincoln, the former American constitutional republic fell from a dream of liberty and limited government into the nightmare big government we have today without the earlier checks and balances of state sovereignty. After Lincoln, In foreign policy, the US forgot George Washington’s warning about neutrality and we became an aggressive military abroad until today we have troops defending the Washington Empire with over 200,000 military personnel in 144 nations around the world. That's not counting our many ships at sea.
The reinvented Abraham Lincoln of our time is a myth of the historical revisionists, in his lifetime he was a fraudulent, devious and despotic politician who used whatever cause was convenient, to justify and unjust War of Aggression.
He himself stated “If I could save the Union without freeing any slave I would do it, and if I could save the Union by freeing some and leaving others alone I would also do that. What I do about slaves, and the colored race, I do because I believe it helps save the Union.”
Adding to his fraugulence was his own claim that he had taken an oath to preserve the Union, when he had taken no such oath. Lincoln had shrudly made his Emanciopation Proclamation the enshrinment for using armed aggression to achieve his politial objectives, whereby the heretofore none existant indivisble Union, at any and all cost, had to be preserved. In following the Lincoln Doctrine, after the wars end, the 13th, 14th and 15th Amendments to the U.S. Constitution was literally passed by force of arms.
We cannot use the word ratified in this case, since ratification requires actions by the sovereign States, acting freely. Thus every amendment added the the U.S. Constitution and every piece of legislation and Court Adjudication based upon these amendments are directly or indirectly, a result of force having been used. “Any people anywhere being inclined and having the power, have the right to rise up and shake off the existing government, and form a new one which suits them better.”
These are the words of Abraham Lincoln earlier in his political career, which certainly demonstrates his original support for the right of States to secede. Either his former support for secession was merely a rouge, to gain votes or else he ligitimately changed his thinking in order to justify his aggressive invasion of the Confederacy, and his scortch earth policy.
Among his other crimes, Lincoln forced the public to fight and die in his war for the northern corporate interests. This led to a great revolt in the North, The riots were the largest civil insurrection in American history, so great were they that the military had to suppress the the New York City rebellion by using artillery and infantry fire. Basically the fact that they shelled New York so that they could force people to fight in a war they didn't believe in did major damage to this country.
For you and I are sons of one religion, and it is the spirit. Kahlil Gibran
The Constitution, which originally protected the citizens from an overpowering Central Government, as a result of these three Amendments, now empowers and protected the Central Government from its own citizens. Thus the intentions of the Founding Fathers were reversed! However Abraham Lincoln had none of these Amendments at his disposal, and even if he had, they were added to the U.S. Constitution only as a result of force, which makes them self nullifying. Therefore when Abraham Lincoln raised and army to overthrow the secession of the Southern States, thereby subjugating the Confederate States of America, which was created as a result of its newly ratified Constitution, he violated his Presidential Oath.
The Union that Never Existed
Abraham Lincoln’s stated purpose for violating his Oath of Office and using force to return seceded States to the Union is based upon a falsehood. The Union prior to the ‘Civil War’ was never indivisible; therefore there was no indivisible Union to preserve. Abraham Lincoln, in using military force to achieve political ends, added validity to, of all lthings, the Communist Manifesto! This is not merely rhetoric, inasmuch as the age in which he lived was filled with numerous examples, Bismarck of Germany with his Blood and Iron, Lenin in Russia as well as Garibaldi in Italy, are examples of coercion and consolidation of otherwise independent political entities into a single Union.
The Abraham Lincoln of modern historical revisionism is a man that never existed; the real Lincoln is an individual that if President today would likely be impeached, and very well charged with Crimes Against Humanity and War Crimes. The U.S. Congress never authorized the war he instigated, let along the aggressive invasion of a sovereign nation, foreign to his own. He suspended habeas corpus, imprisoned thousands of his own fellow citizens without the benefit of a trial, for nothing more then having opposing his policies. All means of mass communications available in his day were censured, including telegraphs and newspapers with numerous editors, journalists and publishers being jailed. The railroad was nationalized, he confiscated privately owned firearms, used troops to force the outcome of elections, as well as having arrested duly elected members of the State and Federal Congress. This he did in order to create an indivisible Union, which amounted to a consolidation of the sovereign States into what was and remains by definition, an empire.
Abraham Lincoln should without a doubt be named America’s greatest war criminal. His war of invasion not only killed over 600,000 innocent Americans but it was obvious from his earlier speeches that he had previously advocated the prevalent constitutional right of democratic, state by state secession. Lincoln’s War also effectively overthrew the existing decentralized, limited federal government that had existed and governed well in the US since established by America’s founding fathers. Lincoln bastardized a respected federal government with limited powers into what is now a dictatorial, uncontrollable Washington federal empire.
Because of Lincoln, the former American constitutional republic fell from a dream of liberty and limited government into the nightmare big government we have today without the earlier checks and balances of state sovereignty. After Lincoln, In foreign policy, the US forgot George Washington’s warning about neutrality and we became an aggressive military abroad until today we have troops defending the Washington Empire with over 200,000 military personnel in 144 nations around the world. That's not counting our many ships at sea.
The reinvented Abraham Lincoln of our time is a myth of the historical revisionists, in his lifetime he was a fraudulent, devious and despotic politician who used whatever cause was convenient, to justify and unjust War of Aggression.
He himself stated “If I could save the Union without freeing any slave I would do it, and if I could save the Union by freeing some and leaving others alone I would also do that. What I do about slaves, and the colored race, I do because I believe it helps save the Union.”
Adding to his fraugulence was his own claim that he had taken an oath to preserve the Union, when he had taken no such oath. Lincoln had shrudly made his Emanciopation Proclamation the enshrinment for using armed aggression to achieve his politial objectives, whereby the heretofore none existant indivisble Union, at any and all cost, had to be preserved. In following the Lincoln Doctrine, after the wars end, the 13th, 14th and 15th Amendments to the U.S. Constitution was literally passed by force of arms.
We cannot use the word ratified in this case, since ratification requires actions by the sovereign States, acting freely. Thus every amendment added the the U.S. Constitution and every piece of legislation and Court Adjudication based upon these amendments are directly or indirectly, a result of force having been used. “Any people anywhere being inclined and having the power, have the right to rise up and shake off the existing government, and form a new one which suits them better.”
These are the words of Abraham Lincoln earlier in his political career, which certainly demonstrates his original support for the right of States to secede. Either his former support for secession was merely a rouge, to gain votes or else he ligitimately changed his thinking in order to justify his aggressive invasion of the Confederacy, and his scortch earth policy.
Among his other crimes, Lincoln forced the public to fight and die in his war for the northern corporate interests. This led to a great revolt in the North, The riots were the largest civil insurrection in American history, so great were they that the military had to suppress the the New York City rebellion by using artillery and infantry fire. Basically the fact that they shelled New York so that they could force people to fight in a war they didn't believe in did major damage to this country.
For you and I are sons of one religion, and it is the spirit. Kahlil Gibran
Sunday, February 06, 2011
"A man can have sexual pleasure from a child as young as a baby."
My God, I thought it was not possible. Well, it comes well from both Shia and Sunni sources. But, I think it is very disgusting, that one at all says something that one can touch etc a 9 year old. I have cousin who is 9 years old, and it makes it more disgusting. If one says this to a non Muslim, you know what kind of reactions you can get? I am also very disappointed by Khomeini (do not know if I can call him an Imam longer), in our age (30 years ago only), agrees that one can do it with a 9 year old ... ~Nima, 01 December 2009
Imam Muhammad al-Baqir (as) said: "Refrain from deliberating in Allah. Rather when you desire to contemplate over His greatness, contemplate over the greatness of His creation. Before you start judging our scholars; also, keep this in mind. Islamic morality does not change as times change. If we were to base our morality on what's proper in the moderen age we live in, then we would be lost and constantly regressing. If modern society doesn't permit such actions, but Islam does, then only our Allah knows the wisdom in such actions, which we can't grasp.
Here's the fatwa in full:
مسألة 12 : لا يجوز وطء الزوجة قبل إكمال تسع سنين ، دواما كان النكاح أو منقطعا ، و أما سائر الاستمتاعات كاللمس بشهوة و الضم و التفخيذ فلا بأس بها حتى فى الرضيعة ، و لو وطأها قبل التسع و لم يفضها لم يترتب عليه شىء غير الاثم على الاقوى ، و إن أفضاها بأن جعل مسلكى البول و الحيض واحدا أو مسلكى الحيض و الغائط واحدا حرم عليه وطؤها أبدا لكن على الاحوط فى الصورة الثانية ، و على أي حال لم تخرج عن زوجيته على الاقوى ، فيجري عليها أحكامها من التوارث و حرمة الخامسة و حرمة أختها معها و غيرها ، و يجب عليه نفقتها مادامت حية و إن طلقها بل و إن تزوجت بعد الطلاق على الاحوط ، بل لا يخلو من قوة ، و يجب عليه دية الافضاء ، و هى دية النفس ، فإذا كانت حرة فلها نصف دية الرجل مضافا إلى المهر الذي استحقته بالعقد و الدخول ، و لو دخل بزوجته بعد إكمال التسع فأفضاها لم تحرم عليه و لم تثبت الدية ، و لكن الاحوط الانفاق عليها مادامت حية و إن كان الاقوى عدم الوجوب .
http://www.wilayah.i...ir/tahrir25.php
Can be found here as well:
مسألة 8 : لا يجوز وطء الزوجة قبل إكمال تسع سنين، دواماً كان النكاح أو منقطعاً، واما سائر الاستمتاعات كاللمس بشهوة والتقبيل والضم والتفخيذ فلا بأس بها، ولو وطئها قبل اكمال التسع ولم يفضها لم يترتب عليه شيء غير الاثم على الاقوى، ـ والافضاء هو التمزق الموجب لاتحاد مسلكي البول والحيض أو مسلكي الحيض والغائط أو اتحاد الجميع ـ ولو افضاها لم تخرج عن زوجيته، فتجري عليها احكامها من التوارث وحرمة الخامسة وحرمة اختها معها وغيرها، ولكن قيل: يحرم عليه وطؤها ابداً. إلاّ أن الاقوى خلافه، ولا سيما إذا اندمل الجرح ـ بعلاج أو بغيره ـ نعم تجب عليه دية الافضاء، وهي دية النفس ان طلقها، بل وإن لم يطلقها على المشهور، ولا يخلو عن وجه، وتجب عليه نفقتها ما دامت مفضاة وإن نشزت أو طلقها، بل وإن تزوجت بعد الطلاق على الاحوط.
http://www.seestani....03/menhaj1.html
TRANSLATION of the first, second is pretty much the same:
"It is not permissible to have sexual intercourse with one's wife that hasn’t reached nine years of age, be it permanent or temporary marriage. But there is no problem with all other pleasures such as lustful touch, embracing, and rubbing again the thighs, even with a suckling infant. If he does have sexual intercourse before nine years of age and does not penetrate, there is no penalty, but he has committed a sin. If he does penetrate causing the vagina and urethra openings to be one, she will become forever haram for him. Although this is as a precautionary measure. And it is more probable that her status as his wife is not removed. And the rulings of inheritance, and the prohibition of a fifth wife or marriage to her sister applies. He is also responsible for her maintenance as long as she is alive, even if he divorces her and even if she marries someone else after his divorcing her as a precautionary measure. And he is liable for blood money for the penetration and the amount is equivalent to that of an individual. If she is a free-woman, the amount is half that of a man, plus the dowry that she became entitled to through the 3aqd and penetration. If he penetrates his wife after the age of nine (causing the same damage as quoted above) , she does not become haram to him and there is no evidence that blood money is liable, but as a precautionary measure, he should maintain her as long as she is alive, although it is more probable that this is not obligatory."
I would not call Islam Satanic; for I doubt Satain could ever be so revolting.
Many a doctrine is like a window pane. We see truth through it but it divides us from truth. Kahlil Gibran
Imam Muhammad al-Baqir (as) said: "Refrain from deliberating in Allah. Rather when you desire to contemplate over His greatness, contemplate over the greatness of His creation. Before you start judging our scholars; also, keep this in mind. Islamic morality does not change as times change. If we were to base our morality on what's proper in the moderen age we live in, then we would be lost and constantly regressing. If modern society doesn't permit such actions, but Islam does, then only our Allah knows the wisdom in such actions, which we can't grasp.
Here's the fatwa in full:
مسألة 12 : لا يجوز وطء الزوجة قبل إكمال تسع سنين ، دواما كان النكاح أو منقطعا ، و أما سائر الاستمتاعات كاللمس بشهوة و الضم و التفخيذ فلا بأس بها حتى فى الرضيعة ، و لو وطأها قبل التسع و لم يفضها لم يترتب عليه شىء غير الاثم على الاقوى ، و إن أفضاها بأن جعل مسلكى البول و الحيض واحدا أو مسلكى الحيض و الغائط واحدا حرم عليه وطؤها أبدا لكن على الاحوط فى الصورة الثانية ، و على أي حال لم تخرج عن زوجيته على الاقوى ، فيجري عليها أحكامها من التوارث و حرمة الخامسة و حرمة أختها معها و غيرها ، و يجب عليه نفقتها مادامت حية و إن طلقها بل و إن تزوجت بعد الطلاق على الاحوط ، بل لا يخلو من قوة ، و يجب عليه دية الافضاء ، و هى دية النفس ، فإذا كانت حرة فلها نصف دية الرجل مضافا إلى المهر الذي استحقته بالعقد و الدخول ، و لو دخل بزوجته بعد إكمال التسع فأفضاها لم تحرم عليه و لم تثبت الدية ، و لكن الاحوط الانفاق عليها مادامت حية و إن كان الاقوى عدم الوجوب .
http://www.wilayah.i...ir/tahrir25.php
Can be found here as well:
مسألة 8 : لا يجوز وطء الزوجة قبل إكمال تسع سنين، دواماً كان النكاح أو منقطعاً، واما سائر الاستمتاعات كاللمس بشهوة والتقبيل والضم والتفخيذ فلا بأس بها، ولو وطئها قبل اكمال التسع ولم يفضها لم يترتب عليه شيء غير الاثم على الاقوى، ـ والافضاء هو التمزق الموجب لاتحاد مسلكي البول والحيض أو مسلكي الحيض والغائط أو اتحاد الجميع ـ ولو افضاها لم تخرج عن زوجيته، فتجري عليها احكامها من التوارث وحرمة الخامسة وحرمة اختها معها وغيرها، ولكن قيل: يحرم عليه وطؤها ابداً. إلاّ أن الاقوى خلافه، ولا سيما إذا اندمل الجرح ـ بعلاج أو بغيره ـ نعم تجب عليه دية الافضاء، وهي دية النفس ان طلقها، بل وإن لم يطلقها على المشهور، ولا يخلو عن وجه، وتجب عليه نفقتها ما دامت مفضاة وإن نشزت أو طلقها، بل وإن تزوجت بعد الطلاق على الاحوط.
http://www.seestani....03/menhaj1.html
TRANSLATION of the first, second is pretty much the same:
"It is not permissible to have sexual intercourse with one's wife that hasn’t reached nine years of age, be it permanent or temporary marriage. But there is no problem with all other pleasures such as lustful touch, embracing, and rubbing again the thighs, even with a suckling infant. If he does have sexual intercourse before nine years of age and does not penetrate, there is no penalty, but he has committed a sin. If he does penetrate causing the vagina and urethra openings to be one, she will become forever haram for him. Although this is as a precautionary measure. And it is more probable that her status as his wife is not removed. And the rulings of inheritance, and the prohibition of a fifth wife or marriage to her sister applies. He is also responsible for her maintenance as long as she is alive, even if he divorces her and even if she marries someone else after his divorcing her as a precautionary measure. And he is liable for blood money for the penetration and the amount is equivalent to that of an individual. If she is a free-woman, the amount is half that of a man, plus the dowry that she became entitled to through the 3aqd and penetration. If he penetrates his wife after the age of nine (causing the same damage as quoted above) , she does not become haram to him and there is no evidence that blood money is liable, but as a precautionary measure, he should maintain her as long as she is alive, although it is more probable that this is not obligatory."
I would not call Islam Satanic; for I doubt Satain could ever be so revolting.
Many a doctrine is like a window pane. We see truth through it but it divides us from truth. Kahlil Gibran
Saturday, February 05, 2011
Egypt: You Cannot See The Fire For The Smoke
Democracy is a smoke screen for Islam...They claim they want democracy and freedom...but defined by who? What?
There is a world of difference between the US Constitution and Bill of Rights, and Islams sharia. Sharia law as derived from the Quran and the traditions of Mohammad is the Islamic constitution...There is nothing 'democratic' in sharia...Nor is there anything free about it...Sharia is a dictate, not a request... Any Muslim who questions it, questions the Quran and has declared himself an apostate, according to sharia... Egypt is already Islamic. Has been for centuries. Even if they do set up a democratic election in Egypt, by the looks of the PEW survey, they'll nominate candidates that reflect all of those stats, and elect a very radical friendly president. Nothing should be surprising about this. But I really cannot understand why the Congress is not interrogating that suspected Islamic Trojan horse and fascist, Hussein Obama; for seeking to make a deal right away with the devious pro-Nazi Islamic Muslim Brotherhood; and at the same time provoking a more violent revolt in Egypt?!
While we should all applaud the removal of a dictator we should do so with the realization that the odds of the Obama Administration producing an outcome superior to that produced by Jimmy Carter in Iran approaches zero. No historical analogy is ever exactly right but the parallels developing between the way the Carter administration betrayed the Shah of Iran are chilling. The administration spokescritter, Robert Gibbs, effectively cut the legs out from under any legitimate use of force Mubarak may use to stay in power. While the Carter Administration believed for reasons that have never been made clear that it could manage the accession of Ayatollah Khomeini to power, so too the Obama Administration seems to think it has found a working partner in the Muslim Brotherhood. Why the Administration believes cavorting with an organization that is both violent and islamist makes sense is as unclear as Carter’s man-crush on Khomeini. The Administration clearly feels that it is sympatico with the Muslim Brotherhood. Early in the Administration the man chosen for “muslim outreach” was heavily involved with the Muslim Brotherhood. And Egyptian media has reported that Obama has recently met with Muslim Brotherhood representatives. One doesn’t need a crystal ball to see how this movie ends. The Muslim Brotherhood is closely aligned with Hamas, another terrorist front organization, and its governing philosophy is anti-semitic and anti-democratic to its very core.
Your thought advocates Judaism, Brahmanism, Buddhism, Christianity, and Islam. In my thought there is only one universal religion, whose varied paths are but the fingers of the loving hand of the Supreme Being.
~Kahlil Gibran
There is a world of difference between the US Constitution and Bill of Rights, and Islams sharia. Sharia law as derived from the Quran and the traditions of Mohammad is the Islamic constitution...There is nothing 'democratic' in sharia...Nor is there anything free about it...Sharia is a dictate, not a request... Any Muslim who questions it, questions the Quran and has declared himself an apostate, according to sharia... Egypt is already Islamic. Has been for centuries. Even if they do set up a democratic election in Egypt, by the looks of the PEW survey, they'll nominate candidates that reflect all of those stats, and elect a very radical friendly president. Nothing should be surprising about this. But I really cannot understand why the Congress is not interrogating that suspected Islamic Trojan horse and fascist, Hussein Obama; for seeking to make a deal right away with the devious pro-Nazi Islamic Muslim Brotherhood; and at the same time provoking a more violent revolt in Egypt?!
While we should all applaud the removal of a dictator we should do so with the realization that the odds of the Obama Administration producing an outcome superior to that produced by Jimmy Carter in Iran approaches zero. No historical analogy is ever exactly right but the parallels developing between the way the Carter administration betrayed the Shah of Iran are chilling. The administration spokescritter, Robert Gibbs, effectively cut the legs out from under any legitimate use of force Mubarak may use to stay in power. While the Carter Administration believed for reasons that have never been made clear that it could manage the accession of Ayatollah Khomeini to power, so too the Obama Administration seems to think it has found a working partner in the Muslim Brotherhood. Why the Administration believes cavorting with an organization that is both violent and islamist makes sense is as unclear as Carter’s man-crush on Khomeini. The Administration clearly feels that it is sympatico with the Muslim Brotherhood. Early in the Administration the man chosen for “muslim outreach” was heavily involved with the Muslim Brotherhood. And Egyptian media has reported that Obama has recently met with Muslim Brotherhood representatives. One doesn’t need a crystal ball to see how this movie ends. The Muslim Brotherhood is closely aligned with Hamas, another terrorist front organization, and its governing philosophy is anti-semitic and anti-democratic to its very core.
Your thought advocates Judaism, Brahmanism, Buddhism, Christianity, and Islam. In my thought there is only one universal religion, whose varied paths are but the fingers of the loving hand of the Supreme Being.
~Kahlil Gibran
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